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Pay as you go strategy

LucidSpider
Posts: 180	2011/05/03 at 23:39 LucidSpider edited message on 2011/05/03 at 23:52 P.S. I was hoping if I could ask the moderators if they could keep this one open for a tiny bit longer than usual. I am hoping to get suggestions from both veterans and new users, and if we all do come to a conclusion, we will have something to link to new users who say they have trouble extending their RRs, whether it be 10 RRs, or 1000 RRs. (I put this on top so the mods would see it first). ------------------------------- Howdy everyone. Well, lets up jump right to it. (And make sure that if you DO respond, that you read all of this post, so we can avoid miscommunication and get straight to the problem.) Now some of you who are reading this may be confused as to what I mean by "extension strategy". Usually, when we think of strategy, we think of recycling, managing, etc. I am here to bring up a different point of view on extending, while hopefully getting my question answered. You see, I had a recycle strategy that went sour, which in turn, made it harder for me to extend my RRs like I normally do because I had to dip more into my pockets and pay more and more money. On the bright side, over the past 5 days or so, I went into the process of fixing my strategy and "jump starting" my average, bringing it from a .5-.6 range to a .7-.8 (hopefully will break .8 today). Now the thing is, in the process of cleaning out and restarting, I had to increase recycle costs temporarily, which thus lead me to have a little less than expected to extend. Now, while I can still dip into my own pockets (I only have so much money a month I can pump into Neobux), let me explain what I am looking for through a story/situation type thing. (All numbers are fictional and made up, I know the objects described below don't actually cost the amount mentioned.) A small business owner makes $100 a month. His car breaks down one day, and he decides to go rent a car from his local rental store. He goes in, tells the sales clerk his situation and asks what options there are to pay. The sales clerk lays out two options: Pay $200 right now to rent the car the whole year Pay $30 a month to rent the car for a month The man, with an intent of renting the car for a whole year, does a quick calculation to see that the first option, while costing him more upfront, only costs him $200 a year while the second option costs him $360 a year. What is he to do if he only makes $100 a month? Essentially I am sort of in that boat, as I am sure a lot of people in Neobux are. While some people would dip into their own pockets, and just extend 240 days (or even 150 or 90), not everyone in the Neobux community has that option. Some of us need a pay-as-you-go extension strategy. Some of us need to go with option 2. We don't mind coming out with a smaller paycheck as long as it means we aren't getting into debt. And heck, while we save up the money we do earn, we might eventually invest it to extend referrals even longer. My question to you is, what is the best pay-as-you-go strategy? Or in terms of the story, what is the best kind of option 2? I have been debating, and was thinking that auto-pay for sure would be turned on in a strategy like this, most likely with a 15 day extension 20 days before the RRs expire, to keep them always on Auto-pay. Anybody have a better idea? If you guys need any information from me, feel free to ask. I think if we can get this problem solved, it will give people another option than just having to extending for high amounts of time for maximum discounts.
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reggen666	Ultimate   Golden
Posts: 44592	2011/05/04 at 01:24 The concept is actually very simple: The more days you will renew for, the more safe you are. That's why it's advisable from the start to rent less referrals than what you can afford and use the rest of the budget to renew them for as longer as possible the first time. In case now that you cannot afford the maximum renewals (240 days) then you must go for less days. The more you can afford the safer you are. If you can afford less than 90 days renewals, then AutoPay should be turned on because it will offer you an extra discount without a need to pay for it in advance. My advice is to avoid at all costs the 15 days renewals because they are the more risky plan. Keep always in mind that AutoPay pays only the active clickers (for their first click for a day) and most probably the majority of the days of your referrals will be paid through the manual renewal plans. That's why is advisable your manual renewal plan to be as longer (in number of days) as possible. Of course if you value more a faster progress than a stable progress, then you may consider the short renewal plans in order to rent faster but in this case you must be aware that the risk level is higher.

WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH A $700 BUDGET?

reggen666	Ultimate   Golden
Posts: 44592	2012/09/10 at 01:34 With a budget of $700 (which is the one that you are sure that you want to spend) you can follow a very stable plan: Reach a total of 500 referrals extended for 240 days and get a golden membership. This will put you in a position where you will have 500 rented referrals on the 240 days renewal plan and a golden membership which means that averages above 0.541 (this is the lowest possible break even point in terms of average within NeoBux) can be profitable for you. Specifically you can follow this plan: -Rent 100 referrals on 14 of September and go golden on 17-18 for $110 in total. -Rent 100 referrals on 21 of September for $20. -Rent 40 referrals on 28 of september for $8. -Do not rent more referrals until you extend for 240 days the 240 new ones for a total cost $268.8 (after the 250 rented referrals the rental/renewal prices go up as you can see in the help page). -Based on your words you will have the rest of your budget available for sure on 8 of October, so this day rent 100 referrals more for $21. -Rent 100 referrals for $21 on 15 of October. -Rent 50 referrals for $10.5 on 22 of October and extend the last 250 referrals you've got for 240 days for $295 in total. The grand total is $754.3 and it's obvious that the missing (over your budget) $54.3 will come from your earnings in the meantime. After you are in that position where it's easy to make profit you can think again what do you want to do. Either A)staying here, stabilizing your account in a profitable level and start cashouting or reinvesting your profit Or B)Spend more money from your pocket to rent more referrals and/or consider the purchase of a golden pack. How much profit you can make from your account is something that only time will tell (and better to avoid predictions) but at least with the above plan you know that you will have to pay the minimum possible cost to maintain your account which means the highest possible profit margin for the number of the referrals you will have. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 suggestions: 1) Do not forget to click the 4 (9 when your are golden) orange fixed ads daily based on server time (see ToS point 3.7. for more info). 2) Be ready to develop and apply a reasonable manual recycle policy. The detailed previous behavior of every referral is the key (try to spot recurrent behaviors to understand the clicking patterns). Example: You have a referral who is clicking 1 ad every 3 days and he/she did that 7 times in a row. That referral is clicking obviously in a non profitable way for the last 21 days. In this case you have a clear clicking pattern which is not profitable, has no chances to reach the auto-recycle (this is a free recycle which will happen automatically if any of your referrals has stayed inactive for 14 consecutive days) limit and therefore you should manually recycle (personally in this example I would have recycled him/her at the 4th of 5th time). As you understand is strongly advisable to study the whole previous behavior of any referral you consider to recycle and therefore you should keep stats daily. If you don't know how to use the exported lists, then this post will help you a lot: http://www.neobux.com/forum/?frmid=7&tpcid=151430&msgid=1639866#m1639866 As a suggestion concentrate on older referrals when you recycle, because you have more data to judge them as precisely as possible and remember to give always enough time to referrals (especially new ones) to show you what they can do for you. Remember always that the best recycle policy is the one you will develop yourself based on the behavior of your referrals. Since every account and referral is unique there is not a standard recipe that will work for every one. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Because renting as golden is a little harder (but not that hard), here are some info: From the FAQ: Golden members have much more demand in renting referrals compared to Standard members because almost all of them can afford to rent. As the demand rises, the distributed referrals for a particular time are easily sold out. Golden members can rent referrals by setting two times of the day for renting depending on their most convenient time. You can find that option in your personal settings. After you change the time, you can only change it again after 7 days. Remember to be quick because many other members will be there at the same time as you trying to rent. If you're having trouble renting, you can always use the rental queue which, while being a bit more expensive, will guarantee you the referrals. Best of luck.

WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH A $300 or $500 BUDGET?

reggen666	Ultimate   Golden
Posts: 44592	2012/11/25 at 18:48 Here are 2 stable enough plans: For $300: -Rent 100 referrals: $20 -Rent 100 referrals: $20 -Purchase golden membership: $90 -Rent 50 referrals: $10. Total cost $140 which means that you will have $160 for renewals. With the help of your earnings it's almost sure that you will be able to extend all of them for at least 150 days before the end of the first 30 days which means that it will be possible to stay within the profit zone with averages over 0.599. . For $500: -Rent 100 referrals: $20 -Rent 100 referrals: $20 -Purchase golden membership: $90 -Rent 100 referrals: $20. -Rent 100 referrals: $21. -Rent 100 referrals: $21. Total cost $192 which means that you will have $308 for renewals. With the help of your earnings it's almost sure that you will be able to extend all of them for at least 150 days before the end of the first 30 days which means that it will be possible to stay within the profit zone with averages over 0.576. Note: For the $500 plan it would be advisable to extend as many as possible for 150 days before you cross the 250 rented referrals.

WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH A $150 BUDGET?

reggen666	Ultimate   Golden
Posts: 44592	2011/07/02 at 10:17 Renting as a standard 100 referrals and renew for 240 days is a good option. In this case you will need any average above 0.93 to be in the profit zone. But with $150 you can: -Rent 100 referrals for $20 -Go golden for $90 -Rent 50 referrals for $10 Total cost is $120 so you will have in advance the money ($30) to renew everyone for 30 more days. Most probably you will be able to renew everyone for at least 60 more days before the end of the first 30 days which will make it possible to stay in profit with an average over 0.764. Using AutoPay is strongly advisable in this case and it will push the average you need to be in profit towards 0.73. When you are able to renew everyone for at least 90 more days, you should turn AutoPay off because 90 more days offer a better discount than AutoPay. In short: Renting 100 referrals and renew for 240 day as a standard member means a BEP of 0.933 and renting 150 referrals (including the funds to renew for at least 30 more days) as a golden member means a BEP of around 0.75. The choice is yours.

WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH A $100 BUDGET?

reggen666	Ultimate   Golden
Posts: 44592	2011/07/28 at 17:25 If you want to go for a golden membership it would be advisable to have a budget of $150. Then you can rent 100 referrals for $20, go golden for $90, rent another 50 referrals for $10 and you will also have $30 to be able to renew your referrals for as longer as possible the first time. In this case it's advisable to enable AutoPay and disable only when you are in position to renew all your referrals for 90 or more days. If your budget is strictly $100, then you should rent referrals as a standard member. Renting less referrals and use the rest of funds to renew them for longer period(s) the first time will offer you stability, while renting more referrals can help you to build your downline faster. The final choice is yours and depends on how much you prefer a slower, but more stable progress over a faster, but less stable progress.

Autorenew

schen2000	Ultimate   Golden
Posts: 9239	2011/01/13 at 17:45 schen2000 edited message on 2012/10/10 at 06:14 AUTORENEW Basically when any of the rented referrals has reached the specified days remaining prior to their expiration days, the referrals will be automatically renewed for the days selected. Make sure you have enough funds in either rental or main balances to cover the renewal costs or else the rented referrals will not get renewed by AutoRenew and you'll need to manually renew them before they expires which there is a fee. Discounts from the days renewing: -Renewing for 15 more days offers no discount. -Renewing for 30 more days offers a 5% discount. -Renewing for 60 more days offers a 10% discount. -Using Autopay offers a 15% discount. -Renewing for 90 more days is offers a 18% discount. -Renewing for 150 more days is offers a 25% discount. -Renewing for 240 more days is offers a 30% discount. FAQ=> Referrals=>AutoRenew=> What is AutoRenew? AutoRenew is the automatic renewal process of your rented referrals. Contrary to AutoPay which will work only when a referral makes his/her first click for a day and will extend for one day the referral's deadline, AutoRenew works every day (*) and prolongs your referralâs deadline based on your chosen renewal period and time before expiration. You can enable AutoRenew in your rented referrals listing page the same way you do with AutoPay. Before enabling it the two following options will be given: Period: This will be the exact period for which the referral's rental will be extended. You can choose any of the usual manual renewal periods (15, 30, 60, 90, 150, and 240 days) to receive the benefit from the related discounts for each period (except for the 15 days one). Before: The time before the expiration when the automated renewal will be triggered. You can choose any of the available number of days and your referrals will be extended if the rental deadline is the same or below the chosen number of days. (*) AutoRenew will only be attempted for each referral once per day. If you have no funds in your rental and / or main balance or some unexpected error occurs, the referral(s) that weren't renewed will be only checked again approximately 24 hours after. We advise you to choose a higher number of days between the first renewal check and the referrals' deadline, so that you'll have the most chances of getting all referrals automatically renewed. It's your responsibility to have enough funds for the renewals and always check if any referral has failed to be renewed automatically.

Autopay

schen2000	Ultimate   Golden
Posts: 9239	2010/10/13 at 15:51 schen2000 edited message on 2013/02/20 at 04:47 AUTOPAY AutoPay Minimum Days Limit:  Standard  = 20 days  Golden  = 20 days  Emerald  = 20 days  Sapphire  = 18 days  Platinum  = 20 days  Diamond  = 14 days  Ultimate  = 10 days Basically once it's enabled AutoPay will pay and extend 1 day at 15% discount for any of the ref(s) that has made a click and has more than 20 days left. When the rented referrals has less than 20 days left you will need to manually renew or enable autorenew them or else they will expire which there is a small fee per TOS 3.4 Autopay is 4th cheapest way to renew your refs, when you have all your refs renew longer then 90 days, it's not longer needed, but autopay can still be useful to help spread out the # of refs due to expire at the same time. 15 days renewal = 0% discount 30 days renewal = 5% discount 60 days renewal = 10% discount Autopay = 15% discount 90 days renewal = 18% discount 150 days renewal = 25% discount 240 days renewal = 30% discount Autopay can be enabled or disabled for all rented referrals. Some examples: Ref #1 has 19 days left autopay will not pay for ref #1. Ref #2 has 23 days left and made a click, autopay will extend ref #2 for 1 more day. Ref #3 has 40 days left and made no click, autopay will not extend ref #3 until a click is made. AutoPay automatically deducts the payments from the rental balance, if it has insufficient funds, it uses main balance. If both balances have insufficient funds it won't be triggered and will only work again when one of the balances has enough funds. AutoPay features: - Renew referrals for 1 day at a time at 15% discount. - Saves time in automatic renewing refs with 20 or more day remaining. - Cheaper then 15, 30, 60 days renewing. - Might help in filtering out low clickers. - Might help in using earnings efficiently. - Help in delaying payments on large numbers of refs expiring at the same time. - No need to use AutoPay if renewing longer than 90, 150, 240 days. - Flexibility to enable or disable at any time. - AutoPay works for all the refs, you cannot select who to extend for 1 extra day. Also read here For example: If today the ref makes 1 click it'll get extended for 1 extra day at the 15% discount price per day. If your current month rental cost is $0.25 which comes to $0.00833 per ref per day with AutoPay your per ref cost per day now is $0.00708333 Also read... From FAQ=>Referrals=>AutoPay=>What is AutoPay? This image has been resized. Click this bar to view the image in full size. More AutoPay Examples: Example 1: I just extend some refs for 90 days. I'll enable autopay and help spread out the cost so I don't need to come up with a lump sum of cash when the refs come close to their expiration date. Example 2: My ref has less than 20 days left. Autopay is not going to extend them for me anymore. I have to manually extend them for 15/30/60/90/150/240 days. Example 3: Extending 1 ref with no discount is $0.26 per month which cost $0.0087 per day (0.26/30). Extending 1 ref at 18% discount for 90 days is $0.64 $0.26 per month x 3 months x 0.82 (18% discount) / 90 days = $0.0071 per day. With AutoPay on. If the ref click today (now 89 days left). I'll paid: $0.26 per month x 0.85 (15% discount) / 30 days = $0.007366 per day. The refs remaining time will stay the same at 89 days (+1 day from autopay and -1 day because a day has passed)

How to earn in Neobux

reggen666
	2010/10/28 at 20:31 The earning process in NeoBux can be described as: -Click your ads every day according to server time. -Rent some more referrals. -Get some direct referrals (after you have met the requirements which are: at least 30 days as a member and 100 of your own clicks). -Manage your referrals wisely (keep daily statistics and use recycling if it's needed and use renewing plans for longer periods to reduce the renewing cost in the long run). -Buy any upgrade that you believe is a useful one when you can afford it. -Repeat the above cycle. Remember that the more money you will invest form your pocket, the more you will speed up the process of building your downline. When you are renting referrals there are 7 options: 1. Rent as many referrals as you can afford and make sure that you have also the funds to renew them for 240 more days in advance. (minimum risk approach). 2. Rent as many referrals as you can afford and make sure that you have also the funds to renew them for 150 more days in advance. (very low risk approach). 3. Rent as many referrals as you can afford and make sure that you have also the funds to renew them for 90 more days in advance. (low risk approach). 4. Rent as many referrals as you can afford and make sure that you have also the funds to renew them for 60 more days in advance. (intermediate risk approach). 5. Rent as many referrals as you can afford and make sure that you have also the funds to renew them for 30 more days in advance. (not too much risk approach). 6. Rent as many referrals as you can afford and make sure that you have also the funds to renew them for 15 more days in advance. (risky approach) 7. Rent as many referrals as you can afford. (the riskier approach). The choice is yours. Remember that the FAQ the help page and the ToS can provide you with plenty of useful info.

Neobux Earning Process

2012/09/01 at 06:17

schen2000 edited message on 2012/09/01 at 06:43

NEOBUX EARNING PROCESS

• Click your orange color fix ads each day according to server time.
  (Click here to learn about SERVER TIME)
  
• Rent referrals when you can afford to.
  (click here to read about renting & renewal costs for Standard members)
  (click here to read about renting & renewal costs for Golden members)
  (click here to read about the risks)
  
• Get direct referrals (after being a member for at least 15 days and making 100 clicks).
  (click here to learn about DIRECT REFERRALS)
  
• Manage your referrals, reduce renewing cost and develop a recycling policy.
  (click here to learn about MANAGING REFERRALS AND AVERAGES FOR STANDARD MEMBERS)
  (click here to learn about MANAGING REFERRALS AND AVERAGES FOR GOLDEN MEMBERS)
  
• Purchase upgrades when needed and can afford it.
  (click here to learn about upgrading to Golden)
  (click here to learn about upgrading to Golden Packs)
  
• Complete Mini jobs.
  (click here to learn about mini jobs offfers)
  
• Click additional ad exposures and earn Neopoints and AdPrize.
  (click here to learn about NEOPOINTS)
  (click here to learn about ADPRIZE)

Repeat the above cycle.